Southern armor roofing reviews and complaints
questionable business practices
I was referred to Southern Armor (SA) by a neighbor. Their representative explained the process of acquiring a new roof at no cost since the insurance company would cover the replacement cost; SA would replace the roof at whatever amount the insurance adjuster set. You simply have to hand over both insurance checks to them. They claim they work with the insurance company on your behalf, but they don't do anything that you couldn't do yourself--contact the insurance company. They don't spend about 5 min online contacting your insurance company who in turn contacts you to set up time for the adjuster to come inspect your roof. If the adjuster approves replacement, then you'd better run for cover because SA is desperate to get their hands on that insurance check. You're going to be barraged with phone calls from SA about the insurance check on a daily basis. After notifying SA that evening that the first check arrived, they came that very night to pick it up. (By this time, albeit too late, I had read the complaints about SA posted on the internet, and was very skeptical about them) When I questioned the guy they sent to pick up the check about the reports on the internet, he told me that they were former employees of Amerfican Shingles and not affiliated w/that company. I didn't want to turn over the check and I made that clear, but I had already signed a contract and didn't want the legal wrangling with them. Also(not that I'm trying to make excuses) but they had replaced two other roofs in the neighborhood. Well, my roof was replaced. They claim the insurance adjuster miscalculated the amount of shingles for my roof and they would have to submit a supplemental claim to cover their extra expense(even though the first insurance check totaled over $5400). I doubt that they want to speak w/the insurance company about anything, and that line is probably used for every roof they replace. My roof was completed on Nov 12, and less than 1 week later, the telephone calls begin again regarding the second insurance check. When I asked if the check would be mailed to me that quickly, Scott (I believe that is his name, but I might be mistaken) told me he would email to me my adjuster's info so that I could contact him to find out when to expect that check (a little over $2600). I received his email but I declined to contact the adjuster. SA claims to work with the insurance company, but they want me to harrass the adjuster about the check and they harrass me. I was contacted by SA on a daily basis (everyday but Sunday) until that check arrived. When it arrived and I let them know, a representative showed up immediately to pick it up. I wanted to give SA the benefit of the doubt, but In my opinion, it's true what is being posted on the internet about them. I feel foolish that I didn't check them out before signing on with them, and I'm worried that if a future storm damages my roof I'll be in serious trouble because they probably won't be around (and even if they are, I expect neither quantum or quality of service) because they're interest is to collect 100% insurance checks and nothing else. Their website contains comments from "satisfied customers" writing wonderful referrals for them. What a joke! The neighbor who referred me to SA received a call from them threatening to place a lein on her property if she didn't pay $160 outstanding balance (even though they had already collected her 2 insurance checks and had benefitted from at least 2 other roofing jobs she had referred to them) for a roofing job that wasn't supposed to cost her any out of pocket money-- remember SA claims to replace your roof for amount the insurance adjuster sets. However, in order to go to court and ask for a judgment in your favor, I think the law states that you have to have "clean" hands yourself; I think SA would probably want to stay as far away from court as possible. I expect to receive a similar phone call from SA saying I have an outstanding balance since the adjuster miscalculated the amount of shingles required for my roof. I'll keep everyone posted on that. If anyone out there is considering having their roof replaced, please don't buy into that line about the company will deal w/the insurance company because that's all it is and they are going out of their way to get you approved for a new roof, because that's just a line to suck you in and scam you of your insurance money.
Company Business Name: southern armor roofing
Country of complaint: United States
Address: Pelham, Alabama
The complaint has been investigated and resolved to the customer’s satisfaction.
Affilated with American Shingle Reps
This company is now working with sales reps from American Shingle. Using the same concept of selling. These reps know what they are doing and have been known to call their customers victims. BEWARE!
Company Business Name: Southern Armor Roofing
Country of complaint: United States
Address: Gainesville, Georgia
The complaint has been investigated and resolved to the customer’s satisfaction.
People are posting to the website that akflap suggested above. The warning is already going out. Phoenix Arizona beware the roofing con-artist are coming to a neighborhood near you. Use companies in your community that have a good reputation and have been around for a long long time, keep the locals employed, keep the money in your local area, not in a criminals pocket from Alabama or any other state.
IF IT SOUNDS TO GOOD TO BE TRUE! RUN THE OTHER DIRECTION.
You are correct 1cass, more to follow but building a case on the few that continued. They are aware of the move across country, cuold be watching and building.
Hey nomorescamsplease, i am sure before we know it there will be arrest. I bet They have a lot of info in many states to go thru to figure out what state is going to arrest first. It is just a matter of time but it will happen.
So they have moved west counting on no one knows what has happened on the east coast with these scamming criminals
Akflap, thank you. The message that was posted really sums it all up...we need to flood it with info from our area with links so people can do the research and not get screwed by these clowns.
Good link Akflap- Spreading the word can only help.
I still can not figure out why an arrest hasn't been made here. Very Funny and hopefully very soon.
http://forums.about.com/n/pfx/forum.aspx?folderId=14&listMode=13&nav=messages&webtag=ab-phoenix
http://warnerrobins.13wmaz.com/content/american-shingle-customer-gets-his-money-back
home owners you need to read this...
This practice of not getting all party's to endorse the insurance check is a common practice of these people... if more home owners would get a copy of the check and look to see who it was made out to and who all endorsed it you may have a chance too...
Maybe we should warn the people out west ...lock your doors the roofing scam is coming to a neighborhood near you...
I mean seriously.. we know what is going to happen to those folks I think we should take every opportunity to let them know and keep people like Hank from stealing from them... They have to be stopped, so if the best we can all do is slow them down then we have done something... we should get the word out...If anyone knows a page out west we can start to post to please share with the rest of us...
Thanks..
Matt Hickey the police are looking for you.
http://warnerrobins.13wmaz.com/content/american-shingle-customer-gets-his-money-back
SCAM
Please do not use- This company is the same comapny American Shingle. I can prove it if need be- before you sign anything or agree to let them step foot on your property please see American Shingle complaints. They scammed many for insurance checks/filed b/k and re-opened under this new name.
USE COMPANY- YOUR FAULT
Company Business Name: Souther Armor Roofing
Country of complaint: United States
Website: southernarmor.com
Sorry I was just joking about the post above, please disregard it.
Yes Tiffany, Andrea is back in the picture but just do what we asked of you. This case is just about closed and that information is vital for the D.A.
Any questions or concerns please call me directly on personal cellular phone as recently I've been doing fieldwork, starting to miss the desk.
However, Listen(read/haha) closely Mr. Hank-- There is many leaks with information than you know of. :) Paranoid? Would they? What do they know? Well it seems there is plenty that do not like what is going on, may not speak upon it openly, but secretly coming forward. Some that are so close to you directly- you would be shocked. I know almost everything about you without ever meeting you. Keep your friends close but your enemies closer, wonder why they said this?
They should do you right. As I said before if this site let me delete my posts than I would. I just followed american shingle employees here but that does not mean they are bad. If you say your neighbor had the work done than go for it. I just wanted them checked out due to the purpose of american shingle but obviously nothing bad was found so you should be fine. Now go get that roof put on or just stare at your neighbors, and wonder what it would look like on your house :)
Wow. Now that is funny :)
I need someone who is reputable to let me know if southern armor is under investigation as of now. I have all my paper work complete and my brother will turn it to SS covering the alabama area to start the investigation, if not started yet. Please do not repsond if you have been defending this company or as your first comment. I need to make sure it has started or I will have it started this week. We see the lies coming from the company now, American shingle is our competitor. I got a strong enough case to have it started, If I do not hear from a reputable person on here, than I will assume no one knows and will proceed.
I guess one would not know unless you were mr. smith or an investigator. Lets hope he does the right thing, it is more than just one employee who came here. Yes many left to other reputable roofing companies after they found out and didn't want anything to do with americant shingle or southern armor. Americant shingle did millions of dollars in business, to only have 300, 000.00 and haven't put roofs up for half a year is a joke. So my challenge to Southern Armor is, how are you going to make this company not have the same fate as americant shingle. Maybe hire your own roofers could help. Maybe not focus so hard on fast money. Maybe not use new money to pay off old money recieved. I would love to hear the truth from mr. smith or anyone else they want to put in charge. What makes this business model different from the one Americant Shingle has? also, please change a few words in your contracts, looks like you plagerized americant shingles contract. Too funny, when you copy someones work at least chage something about it so it doesn't look the same. You have the oppurtunity to run a real company that generates tons of money, but your following the footsteps of where you started from. Change up the game to make it legit so in the end people don't get screwed, than you will find true pleasure in life.
"the last few months had financial problems and couldn't afford to put roofs on or stay in business. I know several people in the Atlanta area that DID GET ROOFS PUT ON by American Shingle last year and one in February"
That is just about the same time as southern armor opened, correct me if i'm wrong.You say last few months- that sounds more like the last 8 months
"it will be with the same owners/CEO/CFO/ etc... and I would guess it would be in the Atlanta area where they all probably live."
Now that would raise a few eyebrows, Plus just f.y.i. the ceo did live in florida, yes he does currently have a house in georgia. We will see after this bk where he ends up. Public information is just as legal as filing b/k to re-open another company :) But remember these people are STORM CHASERS so they will go where they think they can get insurance money. I hope i didn't mess it up with nationwide and southern armor in the future, if i did-SORRY but their customers will be warned when they hear your name, you are in the system :)-
"Very little in this thread is even the truth, so my time has been wasted here and my blood pressure raised "
Trust me i know how it feels to have my blood pressure raised thanks to Americant Shingle.Everything they said never was the truth- Just about knocked out the last guy who knocked on my door, i was all up in his face screaming at him before i realized my anger was not with him. It is the scam i almost got stuck in. NO SOLICITING and NO TRESSPASSING now in full view from way up the street :) no more door knockers. no more problems for me-yet
wow myersphotog. Thanks for the CORRECT info, as you are correct. This is the shell of american shingle. Sorry you had to go through this crap. These people get to legally hide behind the b/k rules to only pop back up. This is something that needs to be fixed in our legal system. A business B/k should stay with owners under their name. No, you file b/k under the legal system today. You can open your new company tomorrow with a fresh start and new federal tax i.d. number. More legal loopholes they need to be filled. Let us file B/k. It stays under our name for 10 years. Hope all the best, even though i'm certain you are one of the many that got scammed in the end.
To god'sroofer09. You are correct. No one will want to even give a deposit to real roofers. Who need the work during this economy. Since there is not any new contstruction going up they no longer have the privelage to install the new roofs on new houses like in the past. I can understand a half down payment to cover materials and labor, paying the other half upon completion. As that is what my company requires. American shingle is a sales team, no roofers. That was their problem and ruined the trust of people who actually needed the roofs. If only they would go straight to the Roofing company that has their own roofers from the beginning, they will find themselves in a much better place. As now your insurance check isn't getting split in half because the sales team, it is all being used for the roofer themselves. Meaning better work as the job is earning more than what the sales guy would hire a sub-contractor for. It does suck for roofing companies, as they will feel the backlash of customers being uncomfortable with anyone as everyone reminds them of this american shingle. Hope you all the best with your company...
PLEASE PEOPLE CUT OUT THE MIDDLE MEN/SALES AGENTS WHO HIRES SUB-CONTRACTOR TO DO ROOF. GO DIRECTLY TO THE ROOFER THEMSELVES AND YOU WILL FIND YOURSELF LESS STRESSED OUT IN THE END-WITH BETTER WORK AS THEY ARE WORKING FOR THE WHOLE AMOUNT. NOT EARNING ABOUT 30% OF WHAT YOU PAID. THEY ARE EARNING 100% OF WHAT YOU PAY.
well maybe you should tell southern armor to switch their contracts up. As it is word by word copy of american shingles. Down to every detail of the work they do, just copied from american shingle. One mentioned that it was started by employees who left american shingle- Well it's built just as american shingle and will have the same outcome in the end. As far as my roof, Yeah i found me a good roofer/contractor. He knew how pissed i was at just as something as small as a roof/ could cause so much stress. When discussing the start date he said it would take him about 3 weeks to get stated, i'm thinking like great, another american shingle scam- So i ask him what type of deposit are loking for, his response, don't worry about it you can just pay whenever we are done. Yes that got him the job right there. As his company is local and has been in Business since 1991. The whole american shingle scam had me so stresed out I found my self bout ready to beat the wheels of a ATandT employee who knocked on my door during all this crap. Yes it turned ugly fast, before i realized that it wasn't him i want. To solve that problem i've added in BIG Words across my front door NO SOLICITING and NO TESSPASSING as if anyone else decides to knock minus kids and neighbors than they will be going right to jail :) You say southrn armor has been in business since january 2010. you are correct, they now show two offices on bbb website both in alabama. They also work out of tn, pn, and nc as of right now. That company must be doing real good to branch off so quickly. Yes i'm sure they will put up roofs, the same american shingle did, so they had a F rating with bbb. You noticed though before they went b/k there was 70 something comlaints and all were resolved except for 2.Resolved means the company and the person complaining agreed that the problem was corrected. So they were putting up tons of roofs a year untill it began to collaspe, knowing they were going to fold they still carried on trying to get every last penny before they filed bankrupt. As their shingle supplier had cut them off around the same time southern armor opened. So the shingles they were showing everyone that would be installed never did business with them over this debt. The problem with the whole company is too many peolple were trying to earn paychecks from one small insurance check, to a company that employeed not one single roofer. The same will show for southern armor, i'm certain they will start off doing as much work as american shingle- they will install roofs but soon they find themselves in the same place as the one they have copied. Might take a year could last up to 3, but it will crash. Its jsut not like they had hired 1 employee of american shingle, no way, American shingle was trying to have every employee switch over the this company. They didn't want this information realeased, I had to write stupid on my forehead to recieve it. Same story backed up by way more than a single employee. So i can easily tell you work for them. PLEASE take this to their owner, first switch up their contract so it is not a mirror of american shingle, just a few words switched around will help this case :) than Explain to him how american shingle failed. To many people trying to get a paycheck off of one small insurance check. Tell him to not use new money to pay off old claims/roofs like a ponzi scheme. Tell him his B rating will not last even if he does great work for everyone, You can't please everyone or customer you might have. Tell him to correct these things and he could have a decent running company. If he follows the exact footsteps of prior company than it will guide them to the same place. Maybe we aren't as smart as the egyptians when we build pyramids. Ours always seem to collaspe when theirs are still standing. Someone needs to explain all this to the owner, he has the potential to run a great company if ran correctly as american shingle started off same way bringing in tons of revenue. I am done with all this crap talk about southern armor=american shingle. I put the post for future reference for potential customers that might here that great knock at their door in which the salesman says you need a new roof without even getting on the roof/doesn't work that easy folks. One must actually get on roof to see damage. So use comany at your own risk, i'm sure they will start off legit to build a big company and branch into many more states. Just don't be the ones left in the end when it collaspes. If we built a house using the same blueprints than we will get the exact same house. That is what is going on here.
Well you live right by where they opened their first shop. Try using them and tell us how it works out for you. They might be legit at first, just like Americant shingle, but soon the ponzi scheme will collapse again. YES they are the same company. Sorry i refuse to put all info out there but i'm saving that for the real people who got scammed out of their money, the ones that are getting lawyered up. Thats when i will be glad to bring the info to their judge/arbitrator, untill than you should give them a shot and let us know how they did :)
And now we finally heard the ceo of American Shingle speak to local news last night. It was on fox charlotte nc. His exact words were" It's not lke we were taking people's hard earned paycheck, it was insurance money" What was that Mr. CEO. Than he goes farther by saying that the company has filed B/k with only $300, 000 in bank account. First they will pay back everyone company they owe money to, Than they will pay whatever else to employees- Than lastly, whatever is left will be refunded to customers were the money came from? Can someone please have the IRS or proper people investigate where and how SOUTHER ARMOR ROOFING had got the start up money. It has to be traceable. I know this is the shell of american shingle but i don't have the autority to investigate their books. This company was started months before American shingle went B/K in which they knew they had to, as Their own shngle supplier cut them off. Now they got a new federal tax I.D. # and can start over fresh with stolen money
I have seen this locally. I work in highend very upscale house's. Our client that day was talking with us and told us how many problems she had with her previous builder. She gave him a 150, 000 up front check to start job- he had the foundation poured etc. Than mentioned to her he needed another 150, 000.00 for framers etc. She wrote him the check were he cashed it. Went and filed B/K. Re-opened under another company and was actually building a new house right down the road from her. Bad part about it- IT'S ALL LEGAL. THAT IS A LOOPHOLE IN OUR COURT SYSTEM. That guy should never be able to build again and should be in prison for commiting fraud. When will our legal system step up and close these loopholes. Yes there are companies that really do go B/K as things turn to worse- I could live with that. If a company knows they are going B/K and still collects checks untill the last day- use that to re-open a new federal tax id number which is the same as a persoanal Social Security number. Should be prosecuted. If we as a person file B/K with our social security number- It stays on our credit for 10 years I believe. With a company the federal tax id number is a new start, so companies doing business with them have no idea- usually it only takes 2-3 years of being in business before they are able to obtain credit from banks etc. with proof the company atleast made a profit- could be a dollar. It just has to show profit and than you get the big company loans. LEGAL SYSTEM ISN'T SO FAIR AND LEGAL in this type of scenario.
what is your problem-
Everyone please view aboves past messages- all the same
no life
lets post about a company we know nothing about and one more thing infomercial man- There are NO ROOFERS/CONTACTORS ETC. That will gaurenteed be here in years to come let along just tomorrow.
Maybe this guy likes posting same message 20 times over and over cause he has o.c.d.? who knows but not one company is gaurenteed here tomorrow- check your local econmoy loser
As you see they are opening new offices fast as no one knows that this is really the shell company for American Shingle after they filed b/k- But they screwed up when i found out :) Enjoy that Americant Shingle scam- Screwed how many out of insurance checks to re-opent his crap- I got proof what do you got? Funny that as American Shingle sales rep calls me-you know the one that first knocks on door- Telling me how sorry he was and i told him it wasn't his fault or even the guy who met the insurance agents fault- But people higher up in office. Told him fortunately i was able to cancel check before it was cashed but American shingle didn't know- Had the (B)Witch who took my check in first place call me trying to get me to sign woth their new company- before i could even mention name he said "who southern armor, i thought they weren't trying to let anyone know that". Well they did and he confirmed it for me.
This is American Shingle-New with scammed money after they went B/k.
Someone needs to stop this crap before you scam the wrong one-like me- you have no idea what was coming your way if you woulda gottten my money :) but i woulda loved every second of it-i promise. Than i think about everyone that did get scammed/and think someone needs to do something for them. Elderly etc. you might think its just insurance money but its more than being about the money- so you never know people :)- i might get to still have my fun for those that did get scammed.
Be aware that Southern Armor changed their name to Magic City Construction around the 1st of the year. Same scam, same people, different name. Do not do business with this company. H. S. is still running the show. Do not become another victim of insurance fraud.
It doesn't look like anyone will be getting their money back. The debts of this company are huge, and assets or cash on hand next to nothing. Secured creditors will get paid first if there is anything to get. See their BK filing.
http://blog.al.com/businessnews/2010/10/american_shingle_siding_inc_ba.html
The links to the filing and financial statement are at the bottom of the article.
I am a local roofer in Alabama and we never ask for money upfront before installing a roof because of American Shingle. I will visit areas that may have been affected and knock on a few doors if I see damage but will NEVER ask for any money. Please remember that there are honest people out there trying to earn a living.
Many times we can upgrade you to a higher quality shingle than before just to really impress a customer with our service.
My heart goes out to the victims and I am on here trying to obtain information about helping some of my neighbors get their checks back. If you have information that would help please contact me.
Good luck to you all that were scammed
Jason
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Yes, this company was formed by one of the American Shingle owners and many A.S. employees now work there. Read the bankruptcy filing. The 4 owners were paying themselves 10, 000/week in "payroll", then it changed over to "shareholder distributions" last Jan.-Feb., the same time production was lagging and the complaints started building. The company had revenues in excess of 35 million in the 1st 8 months of 2010, and they couldn't keep up production? Yea, right. Couldn't pay their suppliers and vendors because the owners were sucking all the cash out of the company to support their rock star lifestyles.
S. Armor is following the same business model, all sales and no roof installers on payroll, exhorbitant sales commissions, and salaries way above the industry average. They sub out the installations to the cheapest labor they can find and you wind up paying 2 or 3 times what a legitimate roofer would charge you. Do not do business with any contractor that will not give you a written, detailed estimate and certainly not with any that wants you to sign a contract to allow them to do the work if they "work with your adjuster to file a claim against your insurance company". There is a link to the BK filing and the financial statement at the bottom of this article. Notice one of the people who received "payroll/shareholder distributions" is also listed on S. Armor's business listing with the state. He was listed as a member and *removing* his name does not mean he is not still the owner; just attempting to hide his connection to the A.S. scam. Beware of this company.
http://blog.al.com/businessnews/2010/10/american_shingle_siding_inc_ba.html
So far Southern Armor is doing good work and keeping up their production schedule. You should be fine using them.
Does anyone here actually know of someone who who was ripped off by Southern Armor? They did my neighbors house and everything they told my neighbor they would do they did. I am in the process of dealing with them on my roof since it went so well for my neighbor. So I simply ask does anyone know of someone who has given SA money and not got a roof?
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Kimberly Lester account Audit [protected] klester@southernarmor.com
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Arthur Anderson Anne Gamble Admin Assistant [protected] [protected] agamble@southernarmor.com
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David Grodsky Pat Lombard Depreciation Manager [protected] plombard@southernarmor.com
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Taylor White Developer [protected] [protected] taylor@southernarmor.com
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Test Test Developer [protected] [protected] ttest@southernarmor.com
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Taylor White Daniel Evans Estimator [protected] [protected] devans@southernarmor.com
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Barry Skelton Bob Bayles Field Construction Manager [protected] bbayles@southernarmor.com
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Barry Skelton Charles Garrett Field Construction Manager [protected] cgarrett@southernarmor.com
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Barry Skelton Ray Srygley Field Construction Manager [protected] [protected] rsrygley@southernarmor.com
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Andy Moncrief Head Honcho [protected] amoncrief@southernarmor.com
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David Grodsky Kevin Browning Kevin Sales Manager [protected] [protected] kbrowning@southernarmor.com
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Adam Brook PC [protected] [protected] abrook@southernarmor.com
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Crystal Crook PC [protected] cmote@southernarmor.com
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John Adams PC [protected] jadams@southernarmor.com
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Scott Burke PCS Manager [protected] sburke@southernarmor.com
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Barry Skelton Tiffany Cail Production Coordinator [protected] tcail@southernarmor.com
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What makes you think Mr. Smith isn't working with investigators to bring down the other owners? He did leave the company months ago. Just because A.S. hasn't removed his name from their official business listings doesn't mean squat. They still have job listings that haven't been removed.
"Godsroofer09" you are the perfect example of a disgrace to humanity. To use God in your handle, basically claiming you are his roofer, and then post a post like you did is so blasphemous I pity your soul. You don't know me but let me tell you something, while you were writing your trash on these internet forums I was in the Army serving my country, including 3 years oversees in a combat unit. Then I got out of the military and wanted to continue serving in some way so I went back to college and got my degree and teacher certification. My character is NEVER questioned by those that know me, but you on the other hand are a piece of crap and disgrace to America. Do us a favor and do some soul searching and decide if you want to spend your whole life as, well you know what you are, or make a change and try and be a decent person... Until then don't think your post have any merit whatsoever and when people read them their thoughts are probably like mine, "what a ###".
Back to the subject at hand, American Shingle obviously was legit to start with, but apparently in the last few months had financial problems and couldn't afford to put roofs on or stay in business. I know several people in the Atlanta area that DID GET ROOFS PUT ON by American Shingle last year and one in February and they were happy with how everything went. Something happened in the last couple months that sent them under, and I am sure now that the State (Georgia, not Alabama) has started an investigation they will see if it was something illegal or not. As far as Southern Armor, I still doubt that the same "decision makers" that let American Shingle go belly up are the ones running Southern Armor. That was same good research done by myersphotog@gmail.com, but just because someone that worked for American Shingle went to work for Southern Armor doesn't mean they are the "shell company". Should a true American Shingle shell company emerge, it will be with the same owners/CEO/CFO/ etc... and I would guess it would be in the Atlanta area where they all probably live. The American Shingle Corporate office is/was in Atlanta, I saw it on the news.
Also don't bother responding to me "GODLESSFOULMOUTHEDROOFER" as I have no interest in Pelham Alabama or Southern Armor at all, and the only reason I saw and read all this to start with was I was interested in what was really going on with American Shingle. Very little in this thread is even the truth, so my time has been wasted here and my blood pressure raised by the rudeness of some people. I read a statistic that over 80% of the information on the internet was not true and after reading this and several other company complaints I can see why. For some reason some people get behind a keyboard and show their worst traits. Complaints boards like this were created for the purpose of real discussions about companies and individuals, not foulmouthed lies and rude comments like "likesitfromtheback". You are a sick ###...
Proof? Hank Smith was a principal at AS. He's also a principal at Southern Armor. Look it up. Check the FLA business filings at www.sun biz.org, search American Shingle. Then check the Alabama Secretary of State site, search Southern Armor. He's on both. If he's such a good guy why isn't he working with media and investigators to take down the other principals at AS instead of starting another company?
Crooks!
Please file a complaint with the A.G. and the BBB. These are the same sales tactics that American Shingle used. If they are pressuring you for additional $ beyond the insurance claim, sounds like they are having cash flow problems. Not surprising considering the excessively high sales commissions and salaries. They apparently changed their name to Magic City Construction recently. The S. Armor website is gone but googling the phone number or address shows both companies' names at the same address and same phone number.
Please go to AL Secretary of State's website at www.sos.alabama.gov and look under business entities to see if any company has a state license prior to doing business with them. And for a roofing company, go with a legitimate company who has been in business in your area for at least a couple of years and can provide references from customers and vendors. A roof is the single most important component to protecting your home investment; do not use storm chasers who won't be around to service the warranty.
Wow I wish I would of read these complaints before signing a contract with Southern Armor Roofing. They promised me to only charge me what my insurance would estimate minus my deductible. But in the end they have asked for the whole amount. Now they have turned me over to an attorney for collection which is my deductible. I have paid them every cent my insurance has given me. I sent a letter explaining what they had promised me and did not even receive a call from them. I would not recommend them and am considering to call the attorney general to file a complaint.
Do not sign any contracts with this company. Get other estimates and you will see that these sales companies take all your insurance money and then some, when a legitimate roofer will charge 1/2 to 1/3 what the sales company charges. Go with a legit roofer who has been in business for years, employs their own installers, provides proof of insurance and bonds, provides references and have no problem providing the names of their suppliers so you can check if they pay their bills or not. Save yourself some money and lots of aggravation and do not do business with the sales/ponzi scheme companies.
HERE's HOW IT WORKS PEOPLE!...They sub-sontract the roofing installation to a local roofer; usually the lowest bidder, for a set price around $150-180 per square. They in in turn tell you they will do it for what the insurance company pays; between $190-230 per square. They put the roof on, collect the checks from the homeowner given to them from the insurance company, pay their sub-contractor his set amount and THEY KEEP THE DIFFERENCE! And for what? For calling your insurance company to file a claim for you. That's it, nothing else. Making a phone call. They send a "ladder assist" to meet with your adjuster and wait for him to either pay or deny the claim. If the claim is denyed, you are still hit up by your insurance company for filing a claim. Call a local roofer who will verify damages before filing a claim.
Adrian? Hank Smith? is that you? How are things at Southen Armor since you left American Shingle? Why would anyone do business with a company (Southern Armor, Alabama Roofing, etc.) that is just a SALES MANAGMENT Company. They are not a roofing company! There are no roofers that work directly for them. They are all SUB-CoNTRACTORS! Can you say "lowest bidder"? This type of business model is to generate SALES! There's good commissions to be made. They WILL NOT be around in the years to come to back ANY warranty they promise you. Go with the guy whos been in town for the last 10-20 years. That's your best decision.
So igaines how is the roof ? Any issues with the roof or the install ?
As for the company calling asking for more money from the homeowner. Only if there was bad decking that had to be replaced. The company pays for any shingle shortage out of their own pocket. Only then do they file with your insurance for the money to cover the shingle shortage.
I fill that most of the posts & comments about this company are past reps that are trying to start their own company or mad because they quit and did not get paid for jobs that got installed down the road. I don’t know I may be completely wrong...
Be warned if SA does not pay the sales "rep" that person can also put a lien on your home... stay far away from Southern Armor, for they are just a carbon copy of American Shingle and all the other scam roofing companies. There contracts are worthless, and they know this, take your insurance checks and find a company in your area that has been in business for a long time.
Do not pay SA any additional money. They are only a storm-chasing sales company. They do not have any roof installers on their payroll. They contract out the labor to inferior roofers. Keep checking your attic for leaks and make them fix them before it gets so bad it damages the interior of your home. They may threaten to file a lien on your home for an unpaid balance and they can do so, but they have to also file a lawsuit within a year to perfect the lien or the filing will expire. It is too costly for them to do so call their bluff if they threaten a lien. SA was formed by one of the owners of American Shingle and most of their employees came from American Shingle. This is not a reputable company.